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[vivien]

So, fandom, how is Sam/Ruby (now that we have all the "socially conscious" facts) that much different from human/vampire sexcapades? Dead body, check. No soul, check. Hot, hot, hot, check!

It's just- no big deal to me. *shrugs*

And the funniest part???? Tonight on Ghost Whisperer, Melinda's newly dead husband, who's been ghosting about since their love is so endless, watched for a car crash victim to die and THEN JUMPED INTO HIS BODY ONCE THE SPIRIT WAS GONE THUS REANIMATING THE CORPSE. I laughed until I cried. Of course, Melinda and New!Jim get a second chance to fall in love (the price of new life was amnesia). I wonder if there is Ghost Whisperer wank about necrophilia? I AM THINKING NOT. :-P

Now I go collapse into bed. Whee. It's not even 9:30pm on a Friday. My life is exciting.

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[aberration]

I can't say I necessarily agree on your view of the body post-death, because... I guess I just do think it's more complicated than that. I don't think we as a society generally view a dead body as akin to a toy someone's done playing with, that it's ok to do whatever we want with it. We do have pretty complex understandings of the body, sometimes as something so personal to us that its treatment in death will affect the soul itself (even if that's not the logistical case in SPN. However we may feel in a fictional context, I don't feel like the general cultural understanding of the body is something that's simply "well, it's a pile of tissue now."

And yeah, Ruby is a demon, though she's certainly meant to be on of the "better" ones, and Sam is a human, even if he is meant to be going down a dark path. What worries me about having not seen the episode is that it may have totally been the case that all these moral concerns were addressed and the relationship itself was treated as something built on those issues. I'm just saying, that's why when I heard about this, despite in some ways being interested in the Ruby/Sam idea, felt "... well, ok, but it seems like there would be a ton of implications to that." And yeah, I'd apply all these issues to that GW thing.

[vivien]

Not agreeing on issues is perfectly fine. ;-)

What makes me kind of- I don't know what the word is. Amused? I think it's amused - is the fact that with Ghost Whisperer, a beloved character is alive again, and the storyline is being set up as one of "hurray!romance, Jim and Melinda get to fall in love all over again, only he's in a slightly different body". I don't really know any fandom places to look for response, but I know there was a large uproar about Jim being killed off, because he is such a great character. So anyway, I doubt this has even come up, though, in that fandom, because Jim is good and yay!

But "Ruby is bad and boo!" seems to be a loud response by many of SPN fandom, and yeah, they are the same exact situation. When you see the episode, I'll be interested in hearing what you think.

ETA Ahahaha, I found the GW fandom communities. Most of the fans are furious, mostly because Jim as they like him as gone, but there is a good bit of "EW CREEPY! Won't the body rot?" reaction, too. So yeah. It is not all just hugs and puppies and reanimated corpses in that fandom either. It's still funny that both of those storylines happened in quick succession.

I'm sorry if the whole thread here got a little "Grr arg". SPN fandom insanity causes knee jerk reactions even amongst those of us who don't play into the crazy.

[aberration]

But "Ruby is bad and boo!" seems to be a loud response by many of SPN fandom

Oh, fandom. It is so not at all surprising when you forget that it takes two to tango.