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We saw Dark Knight and the last Avatar tonight. I appreciated the former; it was well done, but not necessarily enjoyable for me, if you get what I mean. , but the violence was tough for me, and the Joker actually shook me up a bit (and I don't get shaken up much). It was well-acted and well-done, though, and bleak like Batman should be. I think my favorite parts revolved around Michael Caine and Morgan Freeman, though. I was dismayed at all the young kids at the movie. Parents are freaking out of their minds.

Avatar, on the other hand, was delightful, and I'm glad we watched it after the movie. We have been sold on the "Zutara" ship, and Anime Girl literally had a fit at the conclusion. There was stomping and yelling. I assured her that that is why we have fanfic, to write endings we like better. Ah, the agony of shipper's heartbreak. She is now in a prickly porcupine mood, but that does not deter from my happy buzz. Zuko - wow. What an amazing character. The part where he reunited with Iroh made us all go "AWWWW YAY!" That was my favorite part, I think. Toph rocks - literally. Aang's arc was also happy-making; the seeking to not destroy being a balm after Dark Knight. I will miss this show quite a lot.

I have to show everyone Dr. Horrible next, I liked the sucker punch of the ending, cliche of the winsome girl's death aside (although I don't see that kind of thing as misogynistic as much as an overused trope that works to jumpstart revengeful types' character development), and I was left wanting more. It was an interesting character study complete with jaunty tunes.

Date: 2008-07-20 06:52 am (UTC)
aberration: NASA Webb image of the Carina nebula (but she's not just anything)
From: [personal profile] aberration
I don't see that kind of thing as misogynistic as much as an overused trope that works to jumpstart revengeful types' character development

I think that really tends to depend on the context. In this case I didn't mind, as it happened pretty much right at the end and played very well into the tragic irony. When it happens systematically throughout a work, consistently with female characters being killed off to fuel the story lines (and not just in terms of seeking vengeance, but for creating plot or angst) of male characters? Then, in my view, it starts to get into sexism, if not misogyny.

Date: 2008-07-21 06:25 pm (UTC)
genarti: Knees-down view of woman on tiptoe next to bookshelves (Default)
From: [personal profile] genarti
Yeah.

In this case, I didn't mind it as a refrigerate-the-woman thing, especially since I can't think of any other ending that would have been more satisfying and not changed the shape of the thing. (I'd have liked her to reject both of them, but one can argue that this would be too strong a shift to making this Penny's story instead of Dr Horrible's, and that this wasn't the kind of story that supports that kind of shift of character focus.) I just minded it as Joss doing the same thing for the twentieth time and making sure that all hope of Penny having a relationship with anyone at all was killed dead.

Date: 2008-07-20 03:18 pm (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] wakeupnew
Man, I really hated the kiss at the end of Avatar. YOU'RE 12 AND 14. WHAT ARE YOU DOING MAKING OUT LIKE THAT?

It's not even that I ship Katara with anyone else! I just think it would have been a way nicer ending to cut on that hug right before the kiss.

Date: 2008-07-21 06:22 pm (UTC)
genarti: Knees-down view of woman on tiptoe next to bookshelves (face. palm.)
From: [personal profile] genarti
ME TOO.

I liked the hug! Nice and ambiguous, and I thought it fit really well with what had been done and left possibilities nicely open, and I was all impressed with how delicately they'd handled the whole thing.

Aaaaand then they went for the anvil. I mentally edit out those last few seconds, and slot in a cameo of Ursa off in hiding doing something cool. Or a cameo back in the battle sequences of Ty Lee and Mai going, "Prison sucks." "Yep." Or whatever.

Date: 2008-07-20 03:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jaina.livejournal.com
I like Zutara (though I only ACTIVELY ship Sokka/Suki, so you can imagine how happy I am there) and I thought it worked because, like you said, Aang is SO young it could easily fade into deep friendship, and they gave us a lot of character chemistry between Katara and Zuko. So it works.

Date: 2008-07-20 05:18 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tigerlilyaj.livejournal.com
Parents are freaking out of their minds.
ITA. The film is clearly unacceptable for anyone still getting a child's admission to the theater. Several reviews also warned to keep the young'uns away.
But I also hold some blame for the MPAA ratings that refuse to see violence as problematic as sex for kids, giving the darn thing a PG-13 when it clearly says R to me.
We'll see it on cable, when the kids are in bed. ;-)

Date: 2008-07-21 06:23 pm (UTC)
genarti: Knees-down view of woman on tiptoe next to bookshelves (QUELLE HORREUR)
From: [personal profile] genarti
...It's PG-13? I knew that, but I'd forgotten.

How the HELL did it get that rating? I mean, okay, there isn't much onscreen gore, but what's just offscreen and strongly suggested -- ye gods. That movie is dark.

Date: 2008-07-21 01:19 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] miraielle.livejournal.com
Oh, thank god I am not the only person who enjoyed Dr. Horrible. I was starting to think that I was, like, ANTIWOMAN or something, from the general reactions on my flist.

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